ShiHuangdi1974

Look I love anime and have been a fan of it for decades (Macross, Black Lagoon, Gundam, Ninja Scroll, Robotech, Crying Freeman, etc), but Manga & Anime are businesses. Money is the MOST important part, and studios will always prioritize making as much profit as possible over art, storytelling, or the demands of the hard-core fans.

Now it may over the long term ruin an IP, but every studio / publisher is going to milk an IP for all it's worth, as quickly as possible. You never now how long that IP is going to be popular, and the way technology / media us changing, the window gets shorter and shorter. Which is why Disney is milking Star Wars & Marvel, Amazon is milking Lord of the Rings, Games Workshop is milking Warhammer 40k, and so on. Putting out product after product, changing lore and characters to make it more mainstream, and so on.

I've recently gotten into donghua and manhua. When it comes to Chinese sci-fi fantasy, the best for me is Swallowed Star, Legend of Star General, and 40 Milleniums of Cultivation. The spreading popularity of donghua is simply part of the story of the rise if China, or more correctly it's resurgence or return.

Since for most of its history it was either the Far East's leading or dominant power (economic, military, technological, & cultural), or the world's greatest power. With intermittent periods of weakness lasting 1-2 centuries.

Is Anti-Spiral a God? It's the physical manifestation of the Anti-Spiralians consciousness. In some fictional universes that would be a God or Cosmic Entity and in some it would not. For example in Marvel the Overmind / Unimind of the Eternals (collective energies / minds) is not a God much less a Cosmic Abstract.

Tanooki00

The Beyonders are a race or group of Cosmic Beings created by the Multiversal Celestials to maintain/ take care of the Multiverse. They may be more powerful than the Celestials themselves (see the Incursions story arc), but there is also evidence that they may simply work for the Cekestials, which put them under the Celestials

What the....? Cosmic Abstracts and Gods are two different things in the Marvel Multiverse. Generally speaking, Gods are insignificant in power compared to the Cosmic Abstracts.

If you want to include the Abstracts, then the list should be as follows:

1. One-Above-All

2. One-Below-All

3. Living Tribunal

4. Tied: Eternity, Infinity, and the various Firmaments (each a previous multiverse)

5. Tied: Master Order & Lord Chaos, Death & Onlivion

6. Phoenix

7. Tied: Galactus and the various Celestials

8. Elder Gods (Terran & Alien), such as Shuma-Gorath and Cthon

9. Skyfathers (e.g. Odin & Zeus), and various alien gods

10. Hell-Lords

Re-Animator? It's based on a Lovecraft story, but I wouldn't call it Cosmic horror. It's a zombie story.

Missing from that list and a better fit than Re-Animator, would be the following: Alien, Event Horizon, The Void, In the Mouth of Madness, & Final Prayer.

If Thanos was coming after me (and doesn't have either the Cosmic Cube or the Infinity Gauntlet?

Which superhero would I hope came to my rescue? Phoenix would be my first choice. Second would be either the Silver Surfer or Gladiator?

If it's a team, it would the Shi'ar Imperial Guard. Depending on the roster, either the X-Men or the Avengers would be my 2nd choice.

Others I might like in my corner would be the full might of the Skrull Empire or the Shi'ar Empire at my back.

Actually he is talking about a different Thanos. You are talking about the Earth-4321 version in Marvel: The End, who used the Heart of the Universe. Upon becoming omnipotent, he restored everything to how it was, and ended himself.

He is talking about the future Thanos of Earth-81488 who absorbed the Cosmic Abstracts, the Multiverse, and both the Living Tribunal and the One-Above-All. This Thanos planned to end the Multiverse by committing suicide, but a past Thanos changed the past, thereby preventing the emergence of the multiversal Thanos.

Funny how it's always Thanos who is responsible for his own defeat. Because he changes his mind, a past version doesn't like the future Thanos, or he let's the heroes win and reverse what he did.

Your list is both incomplete and mostly incorrect. You are only right ×hen it comes to the most powerful Thanos.

Multiverse's known top 3 are the following:

Most powerful Thanos = the future Thanos of Earth-81488, who absobed the Abstracts, the Multiverse, & One-Above-All. Disappointed to learn it's a neverending cycle, he planned to commit suicide and end it all. His rise to Multiversal omnipotence prevented by a Thanos in the past (yeah. Don't think too hard, roll with it).

2nd most powerful = Thanos of Earth-4321, who absorbed the universe via the Heart of the Universe. He ended up changing his mind, reversed everything, and willed himself out of existence.

3rd most powerful = Thanos of Earth-91955, who conquered the universe via the Infinity Gauntlet. Every world in existence was made to suffer via various methods and sentients were sacrificed to Death at temples.

As for the MCU Thanos? His achievement was not on the same level as that of Thanos of Earth-616. Who also wiped out half of all life in the universe with a snap if the fingers (and it was likewise reversed), but he also battled the Celestials and the Cosmic Abstracts abd won.

Aa for the Ultimate Thanos? He may have ruled an empire of 10s of thousands if worlds with the Cosmic Cube, but the future Thanos of TRN666 went one better. He killed most life in the galaxy and ruled the remains the galaxy without any super weapon like the Cosmic Cube.

This list does not make sense. The Leader seriously?

Greater threats than the Leader, in both their goals and feats in Earth-616, the future, or alternate realities shown so far.

Apocalypse = becomes a reality warping being (via the Twelve), master of Space & Time and therefore the universe (Axis of Time), master of the Intergalactic Shi'ar Empire, and conquered Earth or future Earth in many realities.

Ultron = conquered the Kree Empire, conquered Earth in various realities, abd in one timeline the universe itself

Magneto = in various timelines has conquered the Earth, in one it was implied he ruled the Intergalactic Shi'ar, and in one reality he possessed the Infinity Gauntlet.

Red Skull = via the Cosmic Cube has conquered Earth in various realities.

As for Galactus & Dormammu, I can think of at least 2 greater threats:

Chaos King = counterpart of Eternity (Cosmic Abstract, embodiment of the universe). Vastly depowered, it wanted to destroy all in the universe and revert it to a lifeless void. Even in its greatly weakened form it could kill Elder Gods like Cthon and slay / enslave 1000s of gods.

Knull = like the Chaos King, it too wanted to revert the universe into a lifeless void. Creator and master of the Symbiotes, destroyers of countless worlds and killers of numerous gods. Knull himself is able to kill Celestials and therefore can kill Galactus.

As for Cthon, he is NOT multiversal unlike:

Shuma-Gorath = a multiversal Lovecraftian Cosmic Horror (and part of the Cthulhu Mythos). His aura alone can destroy galaxies and he has the ability to destroy a universe with a single blast. He rules the Many-Angled Ones (aka, Old Ones), a Lovevraftian race of Cosmic Horrors, and rules 100s of realities.

As for the One-Below-All, it should be #2 on the threat hierarchy, right below the First Firmament. It is the counterpart of the One-Above-All (God of Multiverse). Unlike the Dark Winter (destroyer of universes), it's goal is the destruction of the Multuverse.

I agree. Warhammer 40k universe would stomp all of them. It would lose though to Marvel, and DC Universe or Multiverse (though not the greatly nerfed MCU and DCEU cinematic versions). Imperium of Man would lose to the Space Monsters of Gunbusters, the Vajra of Macross, the Daleks of Doctor Who, and both the Skrull and Shi'ar of Marvel (comic version). Chaos Gods would lose to the Cosmic Abstracts of Marvel, the Outer Gods of Lovecraft, and maybe the New Gods of DC (now multiversal).

You are seriously going to make that claim. I can think of various universes more awesome than Warhammer 40K, Empires greater than the Imperium of Man, and so on.

Warhammer 40K Universe is nowhere near as powerful as Marvel Universe fo example, much less Marvel Multiverse. With it's Multiversal Cosmic Gods, the galaxy eating Phoenix, the Infinity Gauntlet, and Cosmic Cube. Organizations, empires, races, and warlords with interdimensional and/or time travel tech.

Intergalactic Empires like the Skrull or Shi'ar with weapons that can devastate or destroy 1000s of worlds at once. Million year old races like the Skrulls and Badoon, the former devastating 1000s of galaxies.

Races that make the Tyranid or Necron threat minor. Like the techno-organic Phalanx who conquer worlds and galaxies, assimilate life and tech, consume resources, and can surround a galaxy with an energy barrier? How about the insectoid Annihilation Wave that consumes worlds but has tech (force fields around planet, FTL planer, energy weapons, and intergalactic teleportation of armies/fleets).

Not to mention the super-soldiers and superbeings. Various Superman level beings who can collapse stars or black holes. Various demi-god or god level mutants (human and alien) that can destroy worlds or stars. Cosmivally empowered individuals that can destroy stars, create black holes, and create pocket dimensions. Legions of Super-Skrulls, engineered with the replicated powers of others, sometimes multiple others.

Marvel stomps on Warhammer 40K. Multiversal Cosmic Abtracts & Celestials. Infinity Gauntlet & Cosmic Cube. Various time traveling Empires and warlords.

Techno-organic Phalanx that assimilate all life and tech, can put an energy barrier / shield around a galaxy, and summon AI Cosmic Gods outside time & space?

Skrulls who rule a galaxy x2 the size of the Milky Way, have dominated that galaxy for millions of years, & have devastated 1000s of galaxies. With starships that can go from one galaxy to another nearby galaxy (Milky Way to Andromeda) via hyperspacee, a trip lasting minutes or hours at most. Intergalactic FtL scanners, communications, and teleporters. Weapons that destroygas giabt sized planets and stars.

The Skrulls are able to create the Cosmic Cube, which can alter / warp reality at a galactic level. Miniaturization tech and transforming machines. Interdimensional and time travel science & tech. Super-Skrulls with the replicated powers of 1 or mutiple super beings.infiltrators whose idenity cannot be discovered by tech scanners, biological tests, psionic scans, or even magic.

Imperial of Star wars can do it. They have numbers ( warships and troops) and resources (worlds and population) that match the Imperium of Man. When it comes to super-soldiers and metahumans, the Imperium has a decisive advantage with its Space Marines and psykers.

Wgen it comes to super weapons though, the Empire has the edge. Expanded Universe had the Galaxy Gun, which fired a missile via hyperspace to any place in the galaxy, destroying planets, a space station which could move planets, even those on the other side of the galacy, and a starfighter sized ship that blew up stars..

First Order in the new Canon, has Starkiller base that can take out multiple worlds 1000s of lys away and the Sith Fleet made up of 1000s of Star Destroyers, each with a planetbuster beam cannon.

Last but not least, the Imperium of Man also has to deal with multiple threats within it's galaxy (Chaos, Tyranid, Necron, & Orks) which eitjet threaten human rule, or threatwn humanitu with extinction. The Galactic Empire faces only the Rebel Alliance which existed partly becausr Palpatime allowef it. So Palpatinr can focus vastly more resources on the Imperium.

Take on the Space Marines? What about the Daleks of Doctor Who (that were a Universe spanning threat to their home Universe, became a time traveling warmongering race, and almost wiped ou their multiverse).

What about Anime? From Gunbuster are the Space Monsters with many fleets, each with billions of insectoid ships whose beam weapons can cut from one side of a planet to the other side, and whose offspring consume stars.

From another anime, Macross are the Vajra, another insectoid race with foldspace FTL. Made up of hives, with 1000s of ships (minimum) that exist in various galaxies. With bean weapons that can hit targets 100,000s of miles away. That evolve ridiculously fast, deploying new mecha and weapons designed to counter and defeat the enemy, learning from just one battle and sometimes deploying the newly evolved units during that same battle.

Let's not forget Transformers. One branch which called itself simply Cybertronians (post-Autobot, post-Decepticon), were a techno-organic race that spread across many galaxies. Turning them into clones of Cybertron, and their throneworld was several galaxies linked in a techno-organic web.

What? There are a lot of sci-armies that can take on the Imperium of Man and it's Space Marines. Marvel has the Skrulls, Phalanx, Annihilation Wave, and Shi'ar.

The Skrulls have devastated 1000s of galaxies, possess time travel & extradimensional tech (stolen from Mr. Fantastic), have legions of Super-Skrulls (each with superpowers of one to several super beings), have Star destroying weapons, can create a galaxy-level reality altering Cosmic Cube, can cloak worlds (and ships), have intergalactic teleporters, possess intergalactic range scanners, can travel from the Milky Way to Andromeda in minutes or hours via hyperspace, and rule the Andromeda Galaxy (x2 as large as the Milky Way).

The Shi'ar have a division of super Beings, created a galaxy with 1000s of worlds, can travel via bith hyperspace (like the Skrulls) or stargates, have star destroying weapons, and have the Nega bombs that can devastate 1000s of worlds at once (e.g. Greater Magellanic Cloud).

The Annihilation Wave is an insectoid swarm that consumes all, has world eating ships, have technology (as in teleporters, force fields, energy beams, etc), have intergalactic scanners, and can open portals at intergalactic ranges for instantaneous invasion by both space armada and ground forces.

Phalanx assimilate all tech & life,, consume the resources (material and energy of worlds), can deploy a near impenetrable force field / barrier around a galaxy, and summon the Titans (sentient ascended AI god-level Entities existing out of time and space - who have only the Multiversal Cosmic Abstracts above them, and fear only the world devouring Galactus and Star/ galaxy eating Phoenix).